The ClickBank Mafia

46 Responses

1. Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc.

   February 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm

   I switched many of my products to Paydotcom due to Clickbank’s insane customer blinks wrong return policy. They told me they cannot help negotiate a solution because their not a bank or something like that.

   The truth is after having million dollar days I believe they cannot see the effect a conglamerate of small business people will have as they move away from Clickbank.

   Rick

2. Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission

   February 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

   Hi I am writing this because I am tired of CB jacking my money and falsifying the tracking of sales, and I want others to be aware.

   I am what is known as a super affiliate, and click bank has been stealing at least 1,000 bucks a day from me. I know a lot of people are sick and tired of this company holding back their funds til they reach the threshold. But that is not even the half of what they have been doing.

   I have over 10 active accounts on CB and they all are making money, but what these snakes are doing is beyond what I have seen any other company do. On a daily I have noticed unexplainable patterns in my sales based on geographical locations. Yes , it’s true they steal the majority of my sales from the USA, and it has me so mad that I have begun documenting this in short video clips that I will be pushing across the web.

   I am one hell of a internet marketer that will definitely make my information known to everyone looking and searching for the click bank website. That’s not all I am working on turning my evidence over to the FBI for embezzlement .

   Some of the proof I have is indisputable,on these video clip the world will be able to witness the double order sales being split to 3 different accounts, that has no relation other then the vendor’s ID. being promoted on all of these accounts. The tracking shows that the customer had to purchase the product from 3 different websites in a matter of minutes.

   Also the videos will show purchases made from within the USA from my accounts using my friends and family members credit cards, and once again not giving me credit. They can not argue and say that it was spyware or that they should have cleared their cookies before purchasing, due to the fact that the videos will clearly show my affiliate ID at the bottom of their order page.

   I have even more other overwhelming proof that I really shouldn’t go into at this time, since I am working with a private investigator whom I hired to gather even more incriminating evidence against this company. This is also the reason why I have yet to release these video clips. But in time I assure you the truth will be posted on every major video site on the internet.

   Thanks for reading this info, and please if anyone else has noticed any other criminal behavior from clickbank.com please share your stories so we can get the word out.

3. The Mad Ape

   February 7th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

   This is scary but does not surprise me. Feel free to send the videos my way. I will be glad to give you an editor account on here for you to post your own articles about this.

   There is strength in numbers and collectively we can get some satisfaction from this company.

   The Mad Ape
   http://www.tatumba.com

4. Maurice (The CaymanHost)

   February 14th, 2009 at 2:01 am

   CDR is tough but Harvey Segal has just released something that can help struggling CB affiliates. If you are one of the 90% suffering in CDR hell you might like to check it out at

   http://www.thecaymanhost.com/ilm/CBfornewbies

   It’s free to read and no opt-in is required so see if you think it’s for you.

5. The Mad Ape

   February 14th, 2009 at 7:18 am

   Who cares what Harvey Segal has to say. He has no credibility and either do you if you support ventures that promote anything Clickbank, especially after reading this post and previous comments.

   I was tempted to remove your link but if you want to be a Clickbank whore in spite of what you read here, then so be it. But I find it disgusting that the program you are pimping is targeted at new comers to affiliate marketing.

   All that it does is set them up for a major disappointment.

   The Mad Ape
   http://www.tatumba.com

6. Maurice (The CaymanHost)

   February 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

   Sorry to have offended, and feel free to remove the link if you prefer, that is why I asked politely if you had any objections.

   The guide is not aimed only at new affiliates, it is simply an idea to help existing CB affiliates who have made sales but are struggling to get past CDR, but maybe you didn’t get that far. Clickbank have many faults and I’d be the last person to argue with you there, but that doesn’t change the fact that they have a very large network of publishers and affiliates, many of whom are unaware of the topic you wrote about and might be anxious to find ideas for resolving it and keeping their accounts from being marked as dormant.

   I realize that name calling is always a more professional approach and far better than offering any kind of constructive ideas to help visitors to your blog, so I’ll leave you to it.

7. PR

   February 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

   Hello Mad Ape,

   I tried posting a comment a few days ago but I guess it never made it past admin check?
   My comment was in response to the article from the affiliate who says Clickbank is stealing thousands from him.

   I am in the same boat.

   I also am a “super affiliate” and I do $2k+/day consistently.

   I have set up advanced ways to track things. I know exactly how many people make it to the payment page. I even monitor the logs real time. Now you would think that if someone selects their product and goes to pay, they are going to purchase, right? I went through my logs, deleted all duplicate hops to the payment page, and the result is still pathetic. Either clickbank’s payment processing has a decline ratio of 90%, or something is very wrong at certain times.

   Getting frustrated as I started to feel that ClickBank was stealing my sales and shaving my commissions at certain hours and usually after I hit $1k on any given day, I decided to place a few test orders using different IPs, credit cards, etc.

   The result was scary. Even though my affiliate ID showed on the payment page, the sales never got counted. Since my affiliate ID was on the payment page, don’t go and try to tell me that some spyware is reassigning the commissions. I did this on a clean installation of Windows XP, and I used the Firefox Addon “Add N Edit Cookies” to make sure everything was going fine.

   Clickbank is STEALING.

   Interestingly enough, if I load balance my hops between several Clickbank accounts, the problem is somewhat solved.

   Unfortunately, unlike the posted above, I did not record videos of anything. I should have.

   Now I have some questions for the poster above who also does several thousand/day. Last week, he made a post on RipOff Report along the same lines as the one he made here. I know it’s the same guy, because he mentions, the FBI, embezzlement and a private investigator, the videos, and the dates match.

   For some reason, his post disappeared from RipOff report overnight. It also disappeared from Google at the same time. What happened? If ClickBank settled, I’d like to know, because they owe me tens of thousands of dollars at this point in stolen commissions.

   Also, there is something I can’t quite understand. Why would Clickbank decide NOT to assign certain sales to some affiliates? You’d think they would just end up having to pay the publisher those lost commissions anyway, so what do they have to gain from this? Unless they have some in-house affiliate accounts that they use to steal the commissions? I would like to know.

   Mad Ape, please let my post through this time. And if you could somehow put me in touch with the affiliate above (with his permission) I would really appreciate it.

8. PR

   February 16th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

   To my above comment I would like to add – I do not consider a hop done via a mobile device (blackberry, iphone, google wireless transcoder or other cell phones) a successful hop. 10 hops to the payment page/order means 10 unique hops using qualified devices/browsers from unique IP addresses.

9. The Mad Ape

   February 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

   PR

   I am beginning to see a pattern here. There are now two of you who have collected evidence that Clickbank is stealing from you. This is a different situation than what I blogged about.

   In my situation they stole from me through their draconian, sleazy business practices and policies.

   With you and the comment from ‘Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission’ above you have claimed out-and-out fraud. This is cause for a criminal investigation by authorities and a class-action lawsuit.

   I have each one of your email address but I can not put you in contact with each other as that is a violation of my privacy policies. I do not even look at the email addresses of people who comment here because, up until now, I did not care.

   So if the two of you want to hook up with each other, then each you must send me an email, using the same address that you posted your comments from, giving me permission to share your addresses with each other.

   As was the case with “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission”, I offer you your own account on here to post your evidence and commentary. This is very important and I suspect that there may be more of you. Again please contact me via email, using the same address you used when commenting here.

   Further, I extend this offer to anyone who can provide evidence that Clickbank has committed fraud against them. Because of potential libel, the evidence must be verifiable and I reserve the right to remove material that can put me before a judge.

   My email address is chiefape@gmail.com

   The Mad Ape
   http://www.tatumba.com

   PS. I did not remove or reject any previous comment from you. I suspect that you were caught in my Akismet Spam filter. There are so many spams sent here that I do not have the time or patience to wade through them all and delete them daily. Sorry for that.

10. The Mad Ape

    February 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    PR

    Please explain the ‘mobile device’ above. I do not understand what you are talking about. Maybe it is because I have the flu right now and my head is spinning dizzy.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

11. The Mad Ape

    February 16th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    PSS Please Digg this comment to help spread the word.

    Thanks

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

12. PR

    February 16th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    What I mean is the following:

    - I went through my logs and deleted any hops to the payment page which are made by mobile devices, as those users generally can’t purchase
    - I then deleted any duplicate hops (people who click the purchase link several times because they change their mind) and duplicate IPs

    After that, the number of people who go to the payment page after picking a product is still 10X the number of sales. At certain times, it is very high, at other times, 1.2 hop = 1 sale, which is normal (20% credit card decline ratio)

    At those times when it feels like sales are being throttled, I have placed test orders using relatives’ credit cards, and not all of them get counted.

    The poster above who has all the evidence is the one I am trying to get ahold of – because it seems that his post on RipOff Report was removed. I’d like to know what the conspiracy is behind this if there is one. If ClickBank contacted him following his report and offered a settlement, I would like to know. However I am not looking for a settlement. I am looking for justice for every single affiliate out there who may be being cheated, and I would like Clickbank to stop shaving commissions if they are.

    I will send you a separate email tomorrow as I am sick and tired as well.

13. Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission

    February 18th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Hi guys, I’m sorry it’s taken so long to comeback to this site. First of all I didn’t get any type of settlement and I wouldn’t want one even if they did offer it. I have been talking to other people about this matter with CB, and they are telling me that they steal commission’s even from low earning affiliates. So basically it doesn’t matter how much you earn they are probably taking money from us all. I personally feel sorry for those of you that spend money on adwords and the like. If your paying for you traffic and are promoting Clickbank products you can not rate your level of success properly.

    During certain times of the day your commissions are being stolen, and it probably is going to some in house affiliate account. Who knows, one thing is for sure they are not crediting all the sales that comes in through a hop link. That has been proven by many people purchasing and buying products from family members CC accounts.

    The patterns of my sales are not natural, and the amount of money made per hop is ridiculous. I target my traffic the way I always have, and with any other network the stats show normal. At one point I changed all my links on one of my websites to another network and ran it for a week. Sales and conversions soared and I made more money off that product and landing page then I do with Clickbank. The landing page was no where near as nice as the one I market on CB.

    Another thing I want to mention is the sales during certain times of the day or an all of a sudden complete drop off from an account that has $500 one day and $0 the next. This is one of the most suspicious to me, when all of a sudden you get no sales and then right after 12 am CB time, you start getting sales. I also seen on a forum where someone said they were only getting sales from different country’s. Then mysteriously it returned after that weekend to all US sales. WTF!

    As far as the rip off report goes I am the one who created it. Here is the link to the report. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/421/RipOff0421649.htm

    The funny thing was once I created it I quickly fed it some strong backlinks and it went straight to the top of Google under it’s keywords. By the following Monday it wasn’t even indexed anymore. So I really don’t know what happened there.

    To The Mad Ape, thanks for starting this post and speaking out on some of the fraudulent things you’ve noticed with CB. It gives us a place to express ourselves and warn people ahead of time. I don’t mind you passing my email address on to people who want to contact me and swap information. But I will email you my correct address since I just used *ADDRESS REMOVED BY MAD APE* to comment on this post.

14. Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission

    February 18th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Sorry The Mad Ape I don’t see an email address or a contact on your site. If you would remove that email in my last comment no one can imitate me. My bad I was thinking about that. Also I put my real email address in this comment since I could find yours to send you one. Thanks , I hope it’s not to much work trying to figure all this out.

15. PR

    February 18th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Hey “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission”

    I TOTALLY AGREE!!! I wish I had some conclusive evidence. Here is what I know:
    I have my own sales funnel, and so I get customer service inquiries several times a day. It frustrates the F… out of my when someone claims they made a purchase through my site, yet I don’t see it. There is no way they have the site confused with another affiliate’s in the same niche since it is completely branded.

    “During certain times of the day your commissions are being stolen” I strongly agree. I also see some oddball patterns depending on the hour of day and the amount of sales past a certain hour for any given day. Like I said I monitor logs and hops to the payment page real time, and sales will completely stop for 1h or sometimes a little longer while hops are still happening.

    I don’t know much about non-US sales because I would say that about 95% of my sales are US-based.

    I think CB is throttling sales for certain affiliates. I don’t know about lower performing affiliates. I wish I knew what their algorithm is for throttling sales. I doubt it applies to lower volume affiliates because they would notice much faster. I think the lower volume affiliates are not seeing their sales credited due to their lack of experience with hoplinks, their use of shady cloaking software which steal sales, etc.

    Unfortunately it is impossible to get any kind of answer from CB regarding this matter, so I was wondering if there were ways to avoid the throttling as much as possible.

    “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission,” what is your experience with throttling your hops through several accounts? Does that in your opinion reduce the amount of stolen commissions?

    I personally notice a slow down between 4pm and 5pm (recently) and another one between 9am and 10am (again, recently only)

    I also notice that very often, groups of sales will come in at the same time or separated by only a minute or two…. then hops to the payment page, no sales for a while again.

    Anyway – to be honest I doubt CB is going to change their ways and so I think we should either collect massive amounts of non deniable evidence, or find ways to get past the throttling by sending sales to dff. accounts, etc.

    I’m sorry my post is not organized. I’m still sick.

    Fortunately I have good relationships with some of the publishers/vendors I send my traffic to so I will try to reconcile my sales with theirs, and I will ask them where certain sales went – those I know were made through my sites. Maybe you could do the same and we share them to see if our sales are being stolen by the same affiliate IDs, which then would suggest that either they are owned by CB, or by some spyware which has infect A LOT of computers.

    I estimate that CB is stealing 10k/mo from me, if not more.

    Thoughts?

16. The Mad Ape

    February 18th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    My email is chiefape@gmail.com. If the two of you want hooked up through me, then email me with the email addresses you used requesting I reveal your email addresses.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

17. The Mad Ape

    February 18th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    I just checked both of your original comments and one of you did not use a valid email address. Personally I don’t care but it makes it impossible for me to confirm one of your identities, simply because “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission” published the fake email address breaking the security of privacy.

    So PR, it is up to you. If you want your email address revealed to “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission”, it is your call to make. I want to make it perfectly clear that I can not be held responsible if someone other than the original “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission” gets you email address.

    If either of you have another suggestion, I am all ears.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

18. The Mad Ape

    February 18th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Now to the task at hand. You guys seem very sincere, honest, and open in your assessment of Clickbank. Something has to be done about this. There is strength in numbers. I think that we need to build the strength and then make a legal claim against them.

    I may not have a case since they have policies that take my money. I did agree to terms and conditions, and I am sure that it was in the legalize somewhere…but I did not see it.

    You two are different. If you can prove what you say, you have had money taken. It has to be determined if it was deliberate…thus fraud, or a defect in their monitoring activities…thus incompetence. Either way they pay.

    Go get ‘em boys. ..I will help anyway I can.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

19. The Mad Ape

    February 18th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    To “Click Bank Steals Affiliates Commission”. I have permission to give you the email address of PR. All I ask is that you send me an email with your real email address, providing the fake email address too.

    chiefape@gmail.com

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

20. Skip Piper

    February 24th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    I’m just getting started at internet marketing. I have accumilated approximately $265.00 from a program that I no longer participate in. However, I continue to use my Clickbank nickname.

    I cannot withdraw the $265.00 because of Clickbanks terms regarding the numberof different credit cards submitted. As of this day 02/24/09, I can’t even find a way to access my Clickbank account information or to totally close my Clickbank account.

    I Googled “How to access my Clickbank account” and that is how I found this BLOG. What I have read within this BLOG is incredible and astonishing to say the least. I consider all the information to be the most valuable I have read anywhere on the internet.

    It’s a sad thing for me and for many of the publishers who sell their books through Clickbank that these alligations have surfaced but thanks to one and all who have made them for it will save me time and money. If Clickbank will not let me have my money I may consider it as tuition paid for a lesson learned or maybe as a reason to participate in a class action suit.

    Bye bye Clickbank

21. The Mad Ape

    February 24th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Hi ya Skip – Glad you found the site but too bad it is because of your Clickbank experience. All I can say is that this topic is fast becoming the most read portion of my blog, so maybe there is some comfort in numbers.

    While you are here, may I suggest joining Orange Leads at http://tinyurl.com/bgcsx9 and my Ape Head Army at http://tatumba.com/blog/register.html.

    You will be entered in my free silver bullion give away – 1 time for joining the Army and 10 times for joining Orange Leads. Being a marketer, you can get free unique-to-you leads for your business opportunities.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

22. PR

    February 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Do you need to sign up for the premium service at Orange Leads or just the free service to get 10 entries?

    PR

23. The Mad Ape

    February 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    The free service will get you 10 free entries and anyone who signs directly under you – if you want you can use that as a recruitment tool.

    Now if you do upgrade to a paid 1 year premium membership I will give you 1 oz of silver straight up.

    If you decide on a monthly premium membership, I will give you 1 oz of silver after 6 months of paid membership. This offer does not apply to your downline however.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

24. PR

    February 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    I actually tried to read that page. It tried my patience and after 5 minutes I gave up, because it sounded fishy, too pitchy, and I still didnt understand how it worked. No offense

25. The Mad Ape

    February 25th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    No offense taken man. I am looking at it as a traffic building medium and it is working for me thus far.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

26. PR

    February 25th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    having read your blog I know you are smart and so if you’re using this, it’s gotta work, but… maybe you can explain in 3 sentences what it does? I really tried to read it and understand it, but the pitch page is like 50 pages long and it’s too pitchy to make any sense, because the tone makes you doubt everything you read… know what i mean?

27. The Mad Ape

    February 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Well I am using it because it drives traffic to me. I place their google like ads on my site and I get 1:1 exposure on other sites in the network. Plus some of the ads I get paid for clicks.

    Right now I do not care so much about the money as I do about the traffic. Most people on there are trying to make a buck, increase traffic, maximize exposure too.

    The next thing that I like is the free leads they provide. I have already used that to increase my mailing list on here. The leads are genuine because I grabbed a bunch and emailed them about the very site that gave me the leads. I got some sign-ups and some rejections but I was just out to see for myself if they were genuine…they were.

    Lastly, I can place an ad in their top ads sections 1 time per 24 hours and it gets me thousands of impressions very quickly.

    Now as far as the site design goes, it sucks. The guy has a great concept but his own marketing techniques and presentation skills are poor. He is doing it all on his own and the site is in its infancy. He is a good programmer, and this is typical…good programmers and not necessarily good designers.

    Is it a fad? Perhaps but I am riding the wave for now.

    More than 3 sentences but I hope it helps.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumaba.com

28. PR

    February 26th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    It does, you should take the above post, and put it on his page as a testimonial before any other pitchy stuff.

29. learnguitar

    February 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Hat’s Off to you for bringing this nonsense with Clickbank to the surface.

    I’m far from being an affiliate “GURU” but I can sure add some fuel to the flame.

    I’ve been marketing Clickbank products for quite awhile myself. MY tracking effort are limited only to being able to actually see where a sale is coming from in my funnel.

    I’m seeing the exact same situations as those described above. I’ll explain…

    On one product I promote, I’ve seen days nip at $200 in sales and go for 21 days without showing a goose egg.

    Then as if all traffic on the web had been closed post 2,3, and even four days of zeros!

    Nobody ever wants to accept a “zero” day on a product. That’s easily understood. BUT, there comes a point where things just don’t make sense.

    When you see conversions at 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, your looking at an average of about 1 in 40. Jack it up to double that now and call it 1 in 80. Here’s where the crap hits the fan folks…

    I can go in and look at back to back ZERO days (Says ClickBank) and have a total of 300+ hops and NOT see one conversion! That’s hogwash! No sales out of a couple hundred hops!!! Hmmmmmm…. I don’t think so.

    So, I contacted Clickbank using the ONLY resource this mega-buck organization provides, EMAIL.

    I told them plain and simple, “I smell a rat”. Indicating that it just doesn’t make any logical sense how a product can consistently convert for nearly thirty days using the same traffic methods, averaging the same traffic numbers and the all of the sudden – shut off!!!

    Their response on this twice has been something to do with their updating a tracking system, but my sales should still be showing. [ B ] [ S ]

    I responded back and told them it was off. Period!

    Later, that day, a miracle… Two sales! Which I still feel is BS!!!

    So what’s the answer?

    I’d like to see a sight just for posting these experiences. These guys should be held accountable. The problem is this…. Class action suite or not, somebody needs to be able to be prepared to fight an enormous giant (CB) legally and that’s gonna take some deep pockets.

    Rest assured, with the money they are skimming alone, they could stall and drag us through the mud for ten years or more and never feel a thing – heck, by the end of that time, just think how much cash they will have skimmed again.

    Count me in and feel free to share my email with the few here that are experiencing this nonsense. I’d like to talk with them personally about taking some steps forward.

    Consider this my written authorization to give my email to those affiliate marketers here that have experienced same happenings!

    Rock On!

    JW

30. PR

    March 2nd, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Someone needs to come up with a product and become a publisher.
    Then, he should push it as an affiliate, and see what happens.
    Do certain sales get assigned to unknown affiliates? Do certain sales come in with no affiliate?

    Again guys, I still am trying to figure out why Clickbank would not assign commissions to us. If they don’t assign them to us, then they have to pay the publisher for that sale, unless they assign it to their own in-house affiliate accounts.

    So, anyone wants to become a publisher/vendor and collect some real evidence?

    PR

31. Saloma

    March 7th, 2009 at 3:29 am

    I don’t know if this helps guys, but I have tried to make some purchases this year through Clickbank and have been unsuccessful. In the past I did not have problems with the payment processing but now I do. Today I tried to make a purchase with credit card and paypal and it gives me a message that states my order cannot be processed at this time. There is no reason on my end for this to happen. This has only happened probably in the last six months. I have contacted Clickbank and they do nothing about it. I will no longer try. It is a waste of my time. I don’t know what is going on with them. I have tried three different publishers at Clickbank with the same results. I only have this problem with Clickbank.

32. PR

    March 9th, 2009 at 12:45 am

    You know Saloma, ClickBank has toughened their risk check for credit card processing because of the huge amount of fraud on information products, since they are not shipped and you don’t need a shipping address to order something with a stolen card.

    That said it doesn’t explain the amount of lost sales I am seeing.

33. PR

    March 13th, 2009 at 4:41 am

    By the way, it seems you can still get a check if your balance is under $100 but you have met the customer distribution requirement. This is what your original post was about, Mad Ape, and I understand why CB has that restriction in place. I know it sucks for smaller affiliates but it prevents them from opening up accounts and using them just to purchase products for themselves.

    Anyway the relevant FAQ entry on CB’s site is the following:

    7. What if I still have money in my account?

    To avoid forfeiting your account balance, please wait to request your account closure until all return allowances have been released and you have received your last check from ClickBank. At that time, you will need to contact us to let us know that the account should be fully closed.

    If your account balance includes standing sales that adhere to the Customer Distribution Requirement, and you have a balance of at least $10 in your account, you can request that a check be issued to you. To request the issuance of a check on our next paycheck issuing date, login to your account and select the “Account Settings” tab. Click “Edit” to the right of the “Payment Information” section. Select $10 from the “Payment Threshold” dropdown list, then be sure to click “Save Changes”. The procedure regarding return allowances will still apply. Please be aware that any closing balance under $10 will be forfeited.

34. The Mad Ape

    March 13th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Hi PR. Sorry for the slow response here, I just got back from a much deserved vacation. I needed a little fun in the sun.

    Anyway, what you say will work so long as you are in compliance with the CDR policy. Since I am not, I am not eligible.

    However, it doesn’t matter…I canceled my account today and told them to shove it up their ass. I was tired of them stealing from me a little bit at a time so I just canceled my account and let them have it all.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

35. The Mad Ape

    March 15th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Hello

    Since this topic seems to have a lot of interest here I have taken the advice of a commentator and am announcing a community forum for everything ClickBank. This forum will the good, the bad, and the ugly.

    Please visit the new site: http://www.theclickbankmafia.com

    Thanks

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

36. PR

    March 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    LOL! Awesome. I’m the 2nd member

37. The Mad Ape

    March 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Spread the word PR. It is just you and me.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

38. PR

    March 17th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    I don’t know any other affiliates…
    I’m one of these affiliates who make 100k/mo in total secrecy =)

39. The Mad Ape

    March 18th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    You could probably double, maybe even triple, that if you went public, offering your own product(s) on how to be a successful online affiliate marketer.

    The Mad Ape
    http://www.tatumba.com

40. PR

    March 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    I don’t like to brag. Plus I really don’t know what I would tell people. Maybe one day I’ll take a picture of a clickbank check, put it up somewhere and tag it so that google images indexes it. If it gets a lot of traffic I’ll build a website around that.

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42. JUSTiCE

    July 21st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    This is an email I sent to click bank after learning that I made all this money and yet I still haven’t made the CDR after 10 sales. I thought it was 5 because I didnt understand the CDR until I read it properly.

    ————————————————————
    Subject: Payment Inquiries

    Questions:
    Hi,

    I have been working hard to get affiliates for a program on click bank, and it seems I still haven’t met the CDR. I have 10 sales yet it says I need 5 different credit card numbers, from Visa MasterCard and PayPal.

    Can you tell me what cards have been used so I can tell the next person I refer to my program to use something specific. Its obviously hard for me, since everyone is using PayPal. I will never get my money. And I spent thousands to attain just 1000$ from click bank…

    Can you help me? I feel duped a little.

    Thanks

    MyName

    ————————————————————

    And this is the reply I got:

    ————————————————————
    Hello,

    I have overridden the CDR requirement and you will be issued payment on our next payout date.

    Thanks,

    Her name here.
    ————————————————————

    THEN, I got another sale (but I changed my threshold for a theory of mine). THEN, it said they sent me a check for 90 odd dollars. THEN I was wandering, “WELL WTF about the other money under all that?

    So I sent them another email saying this (although this email doesnt have anything to do with my other money because I thought it would be coming.)

    ————————————————————
    Hi guys,

    Just wanted to know how come you minus 1$ from me for 3 payments even though
    sales were made only a maximum of 13 days? Are you telling me you deduct my
    hard earned money if I don’t make sales within a week of the last sale?

    2009-05-27

    2009-06-10

    2009-06-24

    The maximum with no sales was 14 days apart. Its obviously less when you
    start thinking an account is dormant.
    Thanks

    MyName
    ————————————————————

    NOT ONLY did I find out about these prix leeching my so called dormant account, but check this out..

    Have a look at those dates……NOTICE anything funny??????

    EACH one is EXACTLY 14 days apart…What a load of shit…Coincidence? I think NOT..

    Their reply. This time from Click bank and not a person.

    ————————————————————
    Hello,

    Thank you for your inquiry. You have not been issued a check because your account has not yet met our “Customer Distribution Requirement”, which states that Click Bank accounts cannot be used for the sole purpose of collecting rebates or otherwise extending credit to yourself or others. In compliance with US law, Click Bank will withhold payment of any account balance until the following criteria is met:
    * Sales made with 5 or more different credit card numbers and
    * Sales made with two different payment methods (either Visa, MasterCard, or PayPal). Note: PayPal purchases do not count toward the minimum 5 different credit card numbers. Re-bills and refunded sales do not count towards the requirement.

    This requirement is in place to help prevent affiliates from abusing the Click Bank Affiliate Program by using their accounts for the sole purpose of collecting rebates and/or discounts on their own Click Bank purchases.

    Please note that once you have met the Customer Distribution Requirement, the full balance from your account will be paid on the next check issuing date. Also, please keep in mind that you only need to meet the Customer Distribution Requirement one time per account (not per check).

    Accounts with a positive balance but no earnings for an extended period of time are considered dormant. Dormant accounts are subject to a charge of $1 per pay period after 90 days of inactivity, $5 per pay period after 180 days of inactivity, and $15 per pay period after 365 days of inactivity.

    You may review our accounting policies by following the link below:

    http://www.clickbank.com/accounting.html

    Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

    Kind regards,

    Click Bank Accounting
    ————————————————————

    And here’s my reply to that:

    ————————————————————
    So why did a (Ladies name here) there say she had overridden the CDR on my account?

    Guess what happened? hours later? No more replies, but….

    I bumped my threshold to 100$ because I thought well damn, its obvious they only send me 50$ at a time and not all the other money I made previously, maybe they will send the rest later?. (around 600$) So I thought well, Ill make it 100$ per check.

    BUT, it had nothing to do with it, the reason they didnt send me any of my previous money was because it STILL had CDR in the status column……………

    So, the lady who lifted my CDR requirement only did it for future payments…All that other money is theirs now…I bet, I will never get it because I didnt meet the CDR then, and then the CDR was lifted. So if the CDR is lifted, that means that the system thinks that I have made the CDR and now doesnt show CDR anymore for future sales I make…So how the hell can I get my money in CDR..Its in the hands of real people now and not a program…

    NOW guess what happened….

    I made ANOTHER sale the next day…And I met the threshold again, and they sent me a check for 90$ odd dollars and stealing 10$ of it for some unknown reason…

    + they have been -ing my money 1$ even though I have been making sales and my account wasn’t dormant…as above. 1$ for a few, the 2.50$ for 1, then 10$!!!!! for 1!! even though I made a sale in 1 day of the last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!READ your own TOS CB……

    NOW guess what’s happened?

    I haven’t made one sale in 2 weeks, and yet, my analytics say that over 690 people in that 2 weeks stayed on my website for over an hour….BS I didn’t convert 1 soul out of them..The program converts like hell…I know something is up…I use the encrypted links too so I can get hijacked…Made sales with them encrypted links, so I know they work..

    What’s the bet, in 2 more weeks time, Ill get another sale? and they will also say my account was dormant so they can minus my account again…and again…and again…+ steal 99% of my sales every month.

    This is what Im going to do…Tell them straight up I know someone there is taking my money, and I want it to stop, or else…I invested too much money and time to get kicked in the nuts like this…

    See what they say then….I won’t be closing my account just yet, I want to see if my theory is correct..

    OH, and here’s another kicker…Click Bank claims that their system is run by a program..If that’s true, how come they can override the CDR for me and change shit around? If they can do that, then they can put sales I made (or we make) into their own accounts, which Im sure they got setup via someone they know or themselves under and alias…this is how I know they are shifty, because they said Click banks automated and can’t be manipulated..

    Sorry to hear about your ordeal MadApe and others.

43. JUSTiCE

    July 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Oh shit i just realized that the 14 days apart is the period ending dates :/….Damn, I think I should do more research..But still…lol..

44. Clickbank reviews

    July 27th, 2009 at 4:09 am

    I’m not doubting what you say is true – but how can it be proven?

45. MarketBloom

    September 1st, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Same here although under the new CB reporting system I’ve had days of up to 30+ “order form submissions” and 0 sales. Then after a day or two, same campaign, stats show 0 order form submissions with more traffic. And days of 2 order submissions and 2 sales. WTF? I’ve written support many times about this issue and their reasoning if faulty at best.

    It is a shame and I feel sorry especially for newbie’s who work very hard only to see their efforts and hopes stolen. I’m dumping CB also… Adsense is more work, but at least they don’t steal from me.

    I almost wish they were more sneaky about it though… It kind of insults your intelligence when they make it so obvious like that.

46. CJ sucks

    October 29th, 2009 at 1:51 am

    In my experience clickbank is hands down the scummiest, most rip-off, steal your money, do anything to keep you from the money you’ve earned WORST ever affiliate program and worst support, worst everything I have ever encountered short of cookie stuffing and commission stealing — oh wait, they do that too!

    Why isn’t there a class action lawsuit against them for all the STEALING of affiliate commissions and conspiring to cheat affiliates by their mafia like usurious creative accounting? THEY ARE CROOKS!!!!

    I hope they burn in affiliate H3LL and experience the worst possible punishment and lifelong curses for their lying cheating scumbag ways and it won’t be soon enough.