This Means War

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interview with Derrick Jensen filmed by Ingrid Severson

Part 1 – Maximum Leverage

Part 2 – Pathology of the Personal

Part 3 – What’s Your Threshold?

Part 4 – Modern-Day Slavery

Part 5 – Whatever It Takes

Part 6 – The 3rd Alternative
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No Hope: Interviews With: Carolyn Chute, Derrick Jensen, Kirkpatrick Sale

No Hope is a book of conversations with authors Carolyn Chute, Derrick Jensen and Kirkpatrick Sale. Breaking through the postmodern condition of alienation, the authors ponder human origins, anarchy, and the collapse of industrial civilization.

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Excerpt: Derrick Jensen (born December 19, 1960) is an American author and environmental activist living in Crescent City, California. Jensen has published several books questioning and critiquing contemporary society and its values, including A Language Older Than Words, The Culture of Make Believe, and Endgame.

He holds a B.S. in Mineral Engineering Physics from the Colorado School of Mines and an M.F.A. in Creative Writing from Eastern Washington University. He has also taught creative writing at Pelican Bay State Prison and Eastern Washington University.

Jensen is sometimes labeled an anarcho-primitivist. Jensen says that he sees civilization to be inherently unsustainable and based on violence. He argues that the modern industrial economy is fundamentally at odds with healthy relationships, the natural environment, and indigenous peoples.

He concludes that the very pervasiveness of these behaviors indicates that they are diagnostic symptoms of the greater problem of civilization itself. Accordingly, he exhorts readers and audiences to help bring an end to industrial civilization.

In A Language Older Than Words and also in an article entitled “Actions Speak Louder Than Words”, Jensen states “Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I’m not sure that’s right”.

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39 Responses

UglyFacet

August 31st, 2010 at 9:52 am

@fourplusseven

Alright then! The 500 word limit can be frustrating to windbags such as ourselves!
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 10:26 am

@uglyfacet Constructive thinking will be required to see anything positive come from this time. One can start that process — or feel angry and look to blame. It’s obvious on which side of that equation Jensen places himself. He will be part of the problem; he’s far too behind-the-curve to be part of the solution, and if you read the people I’ve mentioned, you will see why.

I’m sorry but these little bits of text can’t do this subject justice — if you want more, message me.
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 10:38 am

@fourplusseven Put it another way: when hard times come, when economies collapse, you always see social unrest and from it often come some very unpleasant regimes. Look at your history. That is our future now, and we are in danger of losing a great deal of social cohesion yet again, predictably. The amount of cheap electricity we all have available is going to spiral down and everyone’s going to feel very poor and they’re going to be angry and look for people to blame.
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 10:55 am

@UglyFacet I emphasize needs because the system is *going under*. We don’t need to fight it. There are people working on new ways already — ones that can benefit nature *and* fulfill needs. That relationship is changing. But very hard times are coming.

Make an effort to understand what I’m saying. Google my references — plus Richard Heinberg and automatic earth — and you will get it. Jensen sees culture as inherently evil… sophomoric. Ineffectual. But for him, emotionally satisfying.
UglyFacet

August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 am

@fourplusseven I didn’t say you were a marxist ideologue, just that you refer to class antagonisms and place emphasis on people’s immediate needs over the long-term effects on the landbase.
People are angry and hungry because the system of social organization is woefully inadequate to meet their needs. That’s not Jensen’s fault, nor does it change the fact that dams have a massive negative effect on the biosphere.
I think it’s a mistake to confuse his macro-analysis with “schoolboy” angst. IMHO
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

@UglyFacet You are misreading me. I’m not Marxist. I don’t want to take down BP execs — they are going to take themselves down. I’m very green and concerned with living sustainably, and I equate all life on earth too. What I’m against is schoolboy frustration posing as effective action. I didn’t say ‘people are primary’; making them angry and hungry will not help the natural world, however much it salves Jensen’s ego.

I gave names: Hopkins, Greer, Astyk… read them. They’re not Marxists!
UglyFacet

August 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm

@fourplusseven What’s with the hate-boner for the environmental perspective?
I’m more marxist in my economic perspective too but I still like Jensen’s angle.

In your perspective, people are primary, and I’m the same, but Jensen equates all life on earth as equal, and thinks in time-scales of landbases regenerating themselves.

From that POV, knocking out dams makes perfect sense. You need to save the bitter animosity for the people who really deserve it, like BP executives for example.
damael222

August 31st, 2010 at 1:44 pm

there are 2 reasons why everybody should reach their arms and prepare for war:
1. They will try to destroy the earth ecosystem so it will not be possible anymore for humans to live on the earth.
2. They found ways to completly control the human behaviour. There are programs where they can take out individuals, completly reprogram their toughts and behaviours, and they will managa to control the SOUL.

Happy news guys, get fucking prepared
damael222

August 31st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

@ZYKLONBKILLSHITLER Thats not possible with the autorities in place. There is the vatican, zionists, militry industrial complex, secrect orders, all working for the system. They want make more war… They dont listen to ideas of undestructive energy sources. THEY WANT TO TRAVEL TO THE STARS AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE PEOPLE IS TO DESTROY THE PLANET… thats proven, lots of reserachers know this fact, and its a Nostradamus / Elders of Zion Timetable to rule the universe
ZYKLONBKILLSHITLER

August 31st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

Wouldn’t the absence of political and economic hierarchy already lead to environmental awareness? Can’t we use this knowledge to develop technology not systematically destroy the natural world?
NobodyYou1

August 31st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

Mr. bathetcnow!
You know…I`m just tired of people that think that a “Green new deal” or “Capitalism 2.0″ or “Save the Whales and the Snales-Program” or “Organic Food for everybody” or “Yoga and Buddhism for everybody” or “Hippies in Armany Jeans” or “Jesus Christ is green” could actually CHANGE this World.
As long as we don`t understand the “Nature of Capitalism” and it`s “Growth Problem”. Again: Capitalism needs constant growth otherwise the system is in danger!
To be green = Anticapital
bathetcnow

August 31st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

@NobodyYou1 he is anything but confused and exept for your end remark , you guys are on a similar page. dig deeper – we’re all fucked unless we alter our paths NOW
NobodyYou1

August 31st, 2010 at 4:28 pm

This guy gets totally confused with everything because he thinks that the money in your pocket is equivalent to capital (factories, stocks, bonds etc.)…
Destruction is the direct consequence of an eternal growth system. But without growth Capitalism can`t survive. The worker and the capitalist are actually in the same boat…they both need constant growth of the economy. That`s why classwar is always systemimmanent and Utopia is far away!
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 5:07 pm

Spare me.

US capacity to feed and heat itself is already diminishing and a Greater Depression is coming. Now some idiot knocks out a few dams. Predictable results: angry, hungry people with even less capacity to feed themselves chopping down trees to keep warm. Gain to the environment: nil.

Way to go genius.

Try to the see the difference between an action that *makes you feel better* and an action that will *do some good*.
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 5:28 pm

Shame so many are listening to this when they could be doing something useful. Rob Hopkins is way better than this — and he *doesn’t* fly any more.

Jensen’s grasp of the economic and political situation is laughable! “Limiting spending might be a good move, although not the best” — doesn’t he realize that nature herself is starting to limit our spending?

Apparently not. Read someone intelligent — Hopkins, Sharon Astyk, or the best of all, John Michael Greer. Right now, you need *brains*.
fourplusseven

August 31st, 2010 at 5:55 pm

Idiotic.

Society is just about to decline thanks to the end of oil. Figuring out how to bring society down is like figuring out how to melt ice. Just wait, it’ll melt.

He admits this (without realizing it) when he says airlines staying in business are doubtful. Doubtful? All the airlines are already unviable. Just wait and watch them drop.

Meanwhile, try to do something constructive for the human predicament that decline is bound to engender. Don’t just mope about how you hate your species.
mayurasana

August 31st, 2010 at 6:41 pm

You say a lot of good things Derrick, but you are a slave to this system just as much as anyone else.
withnowords

August 31st, 2010 at 6:54 pm

running circles with language. BORING!
pazomblez

August 31st, 2010 at 7:05 pm

we need to enter into relationship with the natural world, not -use- it as a ‘resource.’ to do so is to perpetuate the same anthropocentric, narcissistic myth that the natural world is a bunch of stuff for humans’ use and advantage. this is the same logic that an abusive narcissistic person applies to what are suppoesd to be personal relationships. they see other people simply as resources for the aggrandizement of their ego. this is also the way the dominant culture views the natural world.
21288003771215

August 31st, 2010 at 7:47 pm

yeah, i never heard of ecology either.
fowzie777

August 31st, 2010 at 8:43 pm

all of nature requires something to die in order for something else to survive. lightning strikes and starts a forest fire that destroys a couple hundred thousand hectares of forest. thats natural so its ok. natural resources are there for us to use. the problem is to use them wisely. WE ARE PART OF THE NATURAL WORLD IDIOT!!!
ethor5

August 31st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

learn to spell so someone idiot out there can take you seriously.
jessekelly1234

August 31st, 2010 at 9:39 pm

haha jc you moron. yes he’s wearing a jacket. watch part 2, he puts you to bed within the first minute.
StarGazerCafe

August 31st, 2010 at 10:15 pm

I’m thinking he may be distressed knowing what he’s about to say. He definately knows what is coming.
jimiBEbandit

August 31st, 2010 at 10:36 pm

lol i can tell your intelligent hahah
J0ESands

August 31st, 2010 at 11:16 pm

@whatnameisavailablee
The thing is the no where that you’re talking about it owned by someone, could be a private owner, could belong to the state, somebody owns it, that would make you a trespasser, if you were to be found you would be removed from the land most likely with violence.
murderd2death

August 31st, 2010 at 11:45 pm

@murderd2death

of the forest and built roads over his favorite nature spots, and he snapped and started blowing shit up.
murderd2death

September 1st, 2010 at 12:13 am

@whatnameisavailablee

you can do all of that but the culture of civilized living has a thing with over consumption and imperialism. The native americans lived in the woods but 60,000,000 of them were murdered because of civilized expansion, and its happened all over the world from africa to south america to asia, very few tribes can even survive because of civilizations expansion. The unabomber tried living outside the grid and wanted to be left alone but eventually they tore down so much of
whatnameisavailablee

September 1st, 2010 at 1:01 am

you don’t have to pay rent, or pay for food, just move out of the city, build yourself some shelter in the middle of no where and raise your own food.

You have to pay rent while living in a major city probably because someone else got to the land first and now owns it.

You have to pay for food at a store because it was grown, cared for and transported by other people.

No matter what system you are in you have to pay some how. With money, gold, time etc. Even in a world occupied solely by you
Karmathejedi1701

September 1st, 2010 at 1:04 am

@earinsound no one should, or didn’t you get the point of that message,
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ecua78

September 1st, 2010 at 1:46 am

who give a fuck where you coming from you fucking idiot you dont get it u slow ass listen 2 that shit 20 times then
earinsound

September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 am

derrick doesn’t pay his rent; his mother does.
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September 1st, 2010 at 2:46 am

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September 1st, 2010 at 2:53 am

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September 1st, 2010 at 3:05 am

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Karmathejedi1701

September 1st, 2010 at 3:19 am

@edwinefellow gov’t is based on Law, so govt’ then becomes legalized violence. Democracy is an add on of this so that 50.1% feel ok about themselves exploiting the natural world, this is then fueled by patriotic ferver whiped up by the mis-Leaders of beloved gov’t…. the real issue get’s down to who takes out the trash, devision of labor, class systems & finally that devolves into debt slavery through taxes all endorsed by overspending gov’ts world wide!!!!
asubjectiveopinion

September 1st, 2010 at 4:06 am

Most laws are simply an extension of the violence that Derrick speaks about, they exist not to enforce common codes of behaviour but to extend the influence of a coercive culture.
The fact is that we have been physically coerced into accepting that the labour/consumption paradigm is the only way of life possible.
Even self-declared ‘progressive’ movements are inherently workerist and do not accept that any other way of life is valid.
Quite simply we given no choice and punished if we ask why.
prayfertrey

September 1st, 2010 at 4:57 am

You have to make people think they thought of it, or they’ll never listen to you.
hitssquad

September 1st, 2010 at 4:59 am

3:17 “Yeah, it’s because you get your wood from South America.”

All buildings today are made of wood?
images. google. com/images?q=concrete+industry+growth

Are roads still made of wood?
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Corduroy_road
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Plank_road

“In the late 1840s plank roads inspired an investment boom”

en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Covered_bridge

“A covered bridge is a bridge, often single-lane, with enclosed sides and a roof. They have typically been wooden”